About the GVGL
The GVGL is a human being. He is an adult male, he lives somewhere in the Genesee valley region of New York, and his main aesthetic, romantic, and sexual attraction is to girls from when they learn to walk to the mid-point of Tanner Stage III puberty. That’s it.
When the GVGL first decided to create this site, he though of writing a short bio about himself. He’d say he lived in a small town, or in a suburb. He’d say he had a wife, or a significant other, or a girl friend. He’d tell about how old he was, whether he had children, and mention the type of work he did or that he was a student. He planned to give enough details for his loyal readers to get a sense of what he’s like, but not so much information that it might compromise his anonymity. But after listening to a interview with Lindsay Ashford, he decided not to do all that. The GVGL decided to be deliberately obtuse in describing himself. Here’s why. The more details the GVGL gives, the easier it is for all of you to continue pretending you don’t know someone like the GVGL. If the GVGL says he lives in a small village, then all of you living in the suburbs or cities will be relieved to think that he’s not your neighbor. If the GVGL says he is married, then all of you parents with unmarried adult sons will be relieved to think that he’s not your son. If the GVGL says he is in his late 20s, then many of you will be relieved to think that he’s not your uncle, father, or grandfather.
What the GVGL wants is for everyone to wonder if they know the GVGL. That’s because the GVGL could be your son. He could be your father. He could be your boy friend. He could be your brother. He could be the sweet grandfather who loves to take his granddaughter to the park. He could be your child’s teacher. He could be the guy who coaches your daughter’s soccer team. He could be one of your employees, or he could be your boss. The GVGL knows hundreds of people in the Genesee Valley, thus hundreds of people in the Genesee Valley know the GVGL. But they don’t know that they know the GVGL.
Before you make uninformed and hateful comments about the GVGL, ask yourself “Do I really understand what a girl lover is, and how they are different from the common concept of pedophile?” If not, then see the page “Not a pedophile”. Then imagine if your father came to you and after a long talk confessed, “For forty years I’ve been attracted, sexually, to little girls. I’ve never offended, and I know I never will, but it’s killing me to keep this secret.” Would you look him in the eye and call him a “sick perverted bastard” and walk away? Then imagine if your fifteen year old son came to you, trembling and with tears welling in his eyes, and eventually managed to tell you that he’s not attracted to the girls at his high school because he’s attracted to younger girls, like six and seven year old girls. Would you look him in the eye and tell him “hopefully someone will walk up [to you] one day soon and get rid of [your] pitiful life”? The insults in previous situations are real comments made about Jack McClellan. Make similar comments about the GVGL and you could be making them about your son, your father, your husband, your brother, your boyfriend, your uncle, or your nephew.
dashofpanache said
it’s intellectually interesting seeing you dissect the issue like this. However, I think pedosexuality is fundamentally different from homosexuality in a couple of different ways.
1) Homosexuals can have relationships that last for years and years. For something based on a specific age, it seems impossible to have a lasting relationship in which to base the physical attraction.
2) Although you may try to avoid causing harm, a sexual relationship with a child who is unready for sex WILL have negative consequences. This is the fundamental reason why society frowns down upon a whole host of activities: kids aren’t ready for them yet.
3) Physically, seems to be a bad idea. There are some issues with this in the homosexual context, but it seems much more of a choosen than a requirement.
4) It seems rather one-sided to me. If pedosexuality is an orientation, it requires the complimentary orientation to work, just like a homosexual needs another homosexuality to complete the relationship. However, in a pre-sexual stage, girls aren’t going to understand their sexuality at all, even if they are the “standard.”
I seriously disagree with many of the claims you’ve made, but I’m intrigued by the way you’ve framed your argument. You’ve been civil and reasonable, so I’ve tried to be the same. If you want to respond to this, you can reply on my blog somewhere. (Disclaimer: I’ll probably delete it after I read it because this discussion does not belong in the context of my humor blog.)
gvgl said
Thanks you, Dashofpanache, for the serious comment. The GVGL is adamant that pedosexuality is an orientation and has support from certain important academics for his position. But he agrees with Dashofpanache that pedosexuality IS fundamentally different from homosexuality and from heterosexuality. You’re getting ahead of the GVGL with your points, but he will address them in a future posting.
tim louis macaluso said
Would you please call me. I am writing a short piece on your site, and have some questions. I’m under deadline and need to hear back quickly, if possible. You can also email me.
Tim Louis Macaluso
Staff Writer
City Newspaper
244-3329, ext. 18.
hopefulbutsilent said
Dear, GVGL
I have had an attraction to younger girls since I was about 16. I though am attracted to minors, ages 12+ I have never acted upon them, nor do I plan to, I just feel attracted to them. I have always hidden it and the only one person knows and they accepted me. I have always kept it hidden because I realize that alot of people would hate me for feeling this way. It is nice to see someone coming out about it, and hopefully someday I will be able to come out too.
Thanks for making me feel less alone in this world
Ryan M said
I had been emotionally and physically attracted to girls 11+ since I was thirteen, experiencing puberty. Later, as a young adult I realized that I still found some 11+ very alluring. Many years later I can say that I have never struck-up a friendship, romance, or sexual fling with a child or adolescent aside from heavy petting with a 12yo when I was 16, and similar-age flings when 16, 17, 18. As an adult, no, I’ve never been improper. I’m not a child molester-wannabe or whatever greater society would think. I just like -am fond of, okay, am attracted to- girls as much as young women. Almost like arrested development?
Serena said
Hi,
I’m a 14 year old girl (a little too old for you?) and your website both scares me, and makes me think. I like older guys, but I’d be scared of a relationship with a much older guy, like one who was above the age of 20, even if it was consensual, because I might be overwhelmed by him and also might be manipulated or regret it later. I know all of your relationships are consensual, but really? If a girl my age has ambivalence, how can a girl who “just learned to walk” understand what she is consenting to? Kids that young don’t know anything about sex, and they can’t consent because they simply don’t understand any of the complexities of a relationship. They don’t know what romance is, either. I think it’s probably pretty harmless for you to have relationships with girls like aged 11 and up, but younger than that and you are creepy and I’d be scared of you.
-Serena
gvgl said
Hi Serena, and thank you for your comment. Is fourteen a little too old for me? That depends on your progress through puberty. But it doesn’t matter because I’m friends with girls and women that I’m not attracted to in any way except as a friend.
I understand your concern about being overwhelmed by a man over 20 if you had a relationship with him. Maybe because you think he’d expect you to act like a woman his age. I’d rather hang out with a girl and her friends rather than having her hang out with me and my friends. Most girl lovers are like that. But I don’t think most men who date want to date fourteen year old girls are girl lovers. A lot of them would want you to act older than your age rather than appreciating you for exactly what you are.
And I also understand your concern about very young girls like those who have just learned to walk and sex. Part of learning to be a good girl lover is learning to have relationships where your primary concern is making the little girl happy, even if you don’t get everything you want from the relationship. That’s just how it is. What a toddler wants from me is not the same as what I might dream of getting from her. Since I’m older and stronger, and more experienced I think it’s my duty to consider her needs first. I get great satisfaction from my interaction with little girls even though I’ve never had a ‘sexual’ relationship with any of them. I sometimes get to play with a six year old girl I know. We play silly games and run and hide and I carry her on my back and we tickle each other. We do six year old stuff. I’m sure she doesn’t think I’m her boyfriend or lover. I’m just another playmate, a big friend, another uncle, or something like that to her. Getting hugs from her is one of the great joys in my life.
Serena said
But doesn’t it bother you though that the little girls that turn you on so much don’t know anything about sex and might be traumatized by a relationship with an adult, even if they never said no or expressed reluctance?
Serena said
Oh and also what would you do when a girl you were dating since before stage III puberty matured and passed that stage? Would she become unattractive to you? Would you end things purely because of that or would you continue the relationship?
Sorry to ask so many questions, I just like to understand things…
gvgl said
I’ve never had sex with a little girl, so I can’t fathom how a little girl might be traumatized. Whether they do or don’t know about sex wouldn’t seem to matter. They can’t read my mind.
You question about what happens when a girl matures is one of the most common questions people have for pedosexuals. I should write an FAQ page to handle this and the other very common questions. Here’s a short answer. All girls become unattractive to me physically and sexually as they become women. It’s a slow process and different for every girl. I would still love her but the form of the love would change from erotic love to platonic love. If I was dating a girl, I wouldn’t lie to her by telling her that we would always be together.
MarcDLS said
I find that the root cause of concern is the assertion that children don’t “understand” what sex is. I have found that this is an extension of the archaic belief that children are innocent. There are many published paper dealing with the erroneous ideology. Innocence is just a euphemism for ignorance. If children get the proper education at an early age the question of whether they can or cannot consent become a much more muddled one, which is why those who are opposed to these types of relationships will vehemently steer clear of it or invoke special pleading. It has been observed that there have been many cultures all across the world that saw no taboo against this type of relationship and yet still managed to survive, despite the assertion that decriminalizing the act will lead to collapse of society. This type of legislated morality leads to abortions of justice, such as children themselves being prosecuted for production and distribution of child pornography and rape.
P.S. I find myself attracted to women ages 12-45 typically. Depends on the specific individual.
Alicesweetalice said
Just as the gays fought since the 1860′s in all parts of the world to get to where they are today so must we fight in the only ways that we can–which unfortunately for now seems to mean that we must together around a beacon of inspiration such as those unencumbered by a residence must huddle around a metal garbage can filled with an accelerant for warmth.
Well in these dark ages where there is so little tolerance for our kind it is very nice to know that, for the time being there is one such as yourself willing to fight the good fight and suffer for the cause while seemingly doing without the creature comforts that those of us who are for the most part still in the closet enjoy.
Bigots like this wannabe Governor are clearly on the wrong side of history as it seems you are aware due to your research on the efforts of the apa to bring about a mature understanding of our underserved orientation.
That being said I have to go for now but be well my friend! It’s very nice to have finally found you after following your story for so long!
In Love Always,
A friend.
Anonymous said
A fellow pedosexual (9 to 14yrs my pref.) I have come to the conclusion, that although I believe that all humans are intrinsically sexual at a wide variety of ages(I became sexually aware at 7 or 8 and began masturbating). The way in which or culture operates makes it difficult if not impossible to have a sensual, loving, sexual relationship with a younger girl. I am 30 yrs old and have never acted upon my extremely strong urges, urges I’ve had since I discovered sex. Precisely because I fear hurting or confusing a girls emotionally, i just couldn’t hurt her. The only situation i could see is a ten to twelve year old I’m around a lot who is fiery and spunky, has a “crush” on me and is bold enough to ask sex ?’s and touch my leg or something, idk if I could control myslef in that situation.Personally I believe that in a “Utopian” tribal setting there would be no concept of right or wrong, sex would be all smiles and sacred as it should be, no sadistic behavior(sadism/rape is the only sexual crime in my mind aside from creepy peekers…lol.) that is the only safe place for this activity. Sadists are the primary reason I believe for the laws regarding child and teen sex. Why don’t we see centers similar to drug “rehab” institutions popping up everywhere, designed to deal with sadists? It would be interesting to crunch these #’s, how many men and women who end up on drugs experienced physical or sexual abuse in a sadistic manner? Why is there no dialogue in this country about the dangers of sadism?
Jared said
I guess I can understand you, since I know what true love is. I have felt it before. I understand that a pedosexual feels for a child what an “average” man (I’m careful with the use of the word “normal”) feels for an adult woman.
The thing is, if pedosexuals had the right to show their affection towards children freely and even date them, how would pedosexuals use that right? Little girls and boys only play having boyfriends and girlfriends, they do not see love the way adults do, and they are not interested in having intercourse with them -if they know what it is. (But, when puberty comes, things begin to change.) Anyway, what I mean is that children might love to have an older friend, a playmate or a special teacher (the one you really get on well with, your favourite one, don’t misunderstand me, please), not an “official” boyfriend or lover.
Another topic that always arise when it comes to pedosexuality is… yes, sex. And this is the point where pedosexuals should put an emphasis on the difference between them and pedophiles. I think that “pedophile” is the word that better suits you, GVGL, because of its etymology (paîs=child; philía=friendly love, friendship -according to Wikipedia). But you know people out there changed, spoiled its meaning, and now “pedophile” means “child molester”, which I think is not true. The definitions for “pedophile” ans “pedosexual” given in this site are acceptable (a little biased, but nevermind). So the pedophile wants to have sex with kids and often claim to love them. But true love never implies sex, you know. And you cannot have sex with a prepubescent because puberty is the process by which a child gets ready to procreate. Mother Nature stated long ago that the continuity of species is fulfilled through coitus, and we must respect that. As you don’t eat spaghetti before it’s ready to be eaten, you don’t have intercourse with somebody who is not ready to do so. No excuses.
One last thing I’d like to add is that the terminology concerning pedosexuals, pedophiles and boy/girl lovers does not help. To me, the term “pedosexual” sounds too “sexual” (although one can state a relationship between the word and the words “heterosexual” and “homosexual”, but I think what I think). Personally, I guess that the solution is creating a brand new vocabulary and imposing it. If there’s one word for each thing, you would be able to state a clear difference between pedosexuality and pedophilia, and therefore help eradicate ignorance and confusion. After that, Happy Lovers United can begin to gain recognition and satisfy people that they represent a danger for no human being and that they can peacefully be part of the community. A good first step would be adopting a kid. ADOPT A CHILD – SAVE A CHILDHOOD. That would be a great a great slogan for a Happy Lovers United campaign.
Yes, I believe in true love.
Regards,
Jared.
P.S.: Don’t be frightening!
Gunnar said
Hey there. A fellow pedosexual here. My AoA is between 6 and 40 years, roughly. Actually discovered the attraction towards prepubertal girls at the age of 21. I don’t think that is common, or so I heard. I have told three persons about my preferences and luckily they all received it with respect. Of course this is not something I would go tell everyone, but my wish is that we, pedosexuals, can be more open about ourselves to others. Not everyone discovers their attraction to prepubertals when they are as grown up as I was. It must be confusing and scary not knowing what to define it as and probably hard to confess to anyone.
I feel aquatinted to what has been described above. I myself work in kindergarten and can release my inner self completely when playing with children. Trust me, they love to play with a grown up that has the ability to release the akwardness of adulthood. And for me that is the happiest moments, along with receiving affectionate hugs. I believe pedosexuals are the best significant other any child can have. The problem is that society don’t.